Just like Imus right? lol days numbered, bwhhahahahahaha

I do agree though, the global warming mythology has people getting killed on our highways today by lowering our vehicle safety standards and lightening up their protective load all to save some money so the honey can go shop at that mall you want to hunt by.

toh! and to think I didn't have to break out the GW card first...wowzers...

Aunty M - you are correct. In 200 some posts Blue Jay has brought something to the table in about 10%. However, I have teenage kids, I understand how I can be wrong more than 100% of the time! LOL.

This outta put him over the top....his idol outed:

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1895

Okay I took a couple Hydrocodones last night before bed, I feel great today.

Now where was I? lol

I'm still grasping to figure out why all the Limbaugh haters( Oh wait I'm in liberal headquaters - West Coast - a.k.a WA state).

/sarcasm

He's had problems in the past, but then again who hasn't. Name a person you look up to and in today's society, its only a matter of time before they go down in flames to. Today the man is doing just fine by my standards. I understand your positions which is fine, everyone has their own point of view. I don't agree with every point he has and sometimes quite frankly I get sick of him and Hannity bitch'n about Hillary over and over again. You have to admit though, 25 million people plus a day tune into the guy, that's a lot of people. And I'm sure they don't all agree with him either.

*I'd also like to state I can be wrong too lol, I do have children as well. My prods and pokes here aren't meant to harm. IF they are I will chill out. I'm just having some of what I call "fun with libs".

Now did anyone watch the democratic party debate on the Clinton News Network last night?

I thought it was interesting to about 15 minutes into it when they started to blame the Bush Administration for failures and patting eacho ther on the back. They actually made some headway with trying to get Hillary to stick to one position.

"when they started to blame the Bush Administration for failures "

You mean the Republican candidates?

I think we're better off here when the mods actually chime in a bit and give a bit of themselves up for us to see rather than have them sit back in anonimity. From what I've seen BD seems to lean a bit to that right, I'm probably in more jeopardy of being tossed than.... wait, no.. probably not.... I'm not the one launching random "I'll probably get banned for this" shots over the fence. Seems to me like we got a pretty long leash around here.

Just because we (collective we) disagree doesn't mean that one is right and one is wrong. In the best debates people exchange viewpoints and information. In most debates they just prove how closed minded they are.

Honestly you can't believe any of them these days AuntyM. Look at the debackle They've all gotten themselves into. Only a third of our country gives it's approval to our President and our democratically controlled congress has set a record for single digit approval. Not even half the people want to vote. More people vote for American Idol then people in our Presidential elections lol. Most people view politicians as full of crap. All their promises they never follow through with. All the taxes they raise to get re-elected. All the people they try to sway by their say anything attitudes. All the special interest groups they try to appease. It's no wonder people don't care any more. Arguing politics these days is futile. Half the country believes one thing and the other side believes something else. These type conversations go absolutely no where because no wins in the end.

I listen to Rush and Hannity on the net when I work during the day, then I hop in the car and listen to a bit of Glen Beck. Then when I get home I turn on CN-Moron, MSLSD( Scarborough ). You want something real good to listen to, listen to Beck, he takes no sides and has some alarming things to point out our govt. is up to that no one in the media will point out. It's a real eye-opener.

"25 million people plus a day tune into the guy, that's a lot of people"

No that’s a lot of stupid people. Rush is good from a comical standpoint only, anyone series about learning anything about current events should avoid him altogether.

Michael Moore's videos are also only good from a comical stand point; he is also full of crap. I only watched one of his shows, the one that dealt with American violence and why Canada doesn't have these issues.

I have met and talked to several Canadian Police while fishing some of BC Rivers. Guns, such as handguns, are not easy to acquire in Canada like Moore lets you believe. To obtain a handgun one would have to jump through all the hoops a person in the USA would have to jump through to obtain a Class 3 weapons permit. Class 3 allows for the legal ownership of fully automatic weapons among other items.

They all only portrait one side of the issue.

"listen to Beck, he takes no sides and has some alarming things to point out "

BJ: The more you write the dumber you appear.

Glenn Beck was raised a Roman Catholic. He was born in Mt. Vernon, Washington, and attended high school in Bellingham. He graduated from Sehome High School in 1982. His mother committed suicide when he was 13. One of his brothers also committed suicide, and another reportedly had a fatal heart attack. [5] Beck played the cornerback position at Northwestern University.

Beck is a self-described reformed alcoholic and drug addict. In the aftermath of those three family tragedies, Beck said he used "Dr. Jack Daniels" and heavy drugs to cope. He and his first wife divorced amid his struggle with substance abuse. Beck cites the help of Alcoholics Anonymous in his sobriety, and he eventually converted to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints which teaches against the consumption of alcohol.

Beck believes he has a personal relationship with God. "God STALKED me!...He had a giant baptismal RIFLE," Beck said. "I thwarted him. I led people ASTRAY as much I could but he kept putting Mormons in my way." [6]

Beck has two teenage daughters, Hannah and Mary, by his first marriage; Mary has cerebral palsy. He has two children, Raphe (adopted in 2004) and Cheyenne (born 2006), with his second wife, Tania.

Beck often says "I am a conservative who happens to be a Republican" . On his show, Beck addresses many current political, social, and economic issues using traditional conservative governing principles.

While Beck has stated that global warming is real, he is skeptical of the scientific opinion on climate change that global warming is attributable to human activity, that it may pose a threat to human civilization, and that there is an attainable solution. Beck argues there is an under-reporting of scientific findings that do not support the theory of human-created global warming, also known as global climate change.[9]

On 30 April 2007 on his nationally syndicated radio show, Beck made a comparison between global warming supporters and how Hitler promoted hatred against Jews in Nazi Germany:

"Al Gore's not going to be rounding up Jews and exterminating them. It is the same tactic, however. The goal is different. The goal is globalization. The goal is global carbon tax. The goal is the United Nations running the world. That is the goal. Back in the 1930s, the goal was get rid of all of the Jews and have one global government. You got to have an enemy to fight. And when you have an enemy to fight, then you can unite the entire world behind you, and you seize power. That was Hitler's plan. His enemy: the Jew. Al Gore's enemy, the U.N.'s enemy: global warming. Then you get the scientists -- eugenics. You get the scientists -- global warming. Then you have to discredit the scientists who say, 'That's not right.' And you must silence all dissenting voices. That's what Hitler did."[10]

Yer scarin me Vhawk. I too was a ditto head for many years (80's and early 90's) eventhough I was also ahemphead/fisherman/hunter. I turned my back on them for many of the reasons you layed out.
Nice post.

I believe solar activity causes the earth to warm. It was warmer in 1936 then today temps. In the 70's the same alarmist were running around saying we were going into an ice age. Earth has cycles just like fish runs do. But thanks for telling me everything I already know about Beck.

I'm starting to like your post BJ, purely from an entertainment value. You remind me of another character that used to post on this forum, he went by the name The King.

"It was warmer in 1936 then today temps."

Oh really....and the glaciers were smaller than they are today right?

I've got a new business idea....for sale...bags of Rush Limbaugh sand for idiots to stick their head into.

I'm guessing you might have a shoulder sprain considering how far you had to reach on that one.

Which brings me around to an underlying point, most ditto heads won't question the scientific quasi theories proposed by a college drop out who flunked out of most of his classes, including ball room dancing. They won't question his views on the war anymore than they'd question why a boil on his ass kept him out of Vietnam.

I think what really pisses people off, and it applies to everybody, is when someone like Rush takes the most extreme views and tries to generalize them to include anyone left of center. It's not any different than calling you a Nazi because of your tendencies towards nationalism. Or calling someone a tree hugger because they worry about clear cutting on the OP.

You can choose to not "believe" in global warming, but that won't stop it from screwing us. You can also choose to not believe in gravity, but that won't stop your head from cracking when you slip off your soapbox.

Brilliant observation, Einstein.

I bet nobody else ever thought of that.

yeah really! That is fact, not fiction.

It's about the overall trend. A single year is not as meaningful as 10 years in a row. And that's not as meaningful as the overall recorded trends for the last 150 years, to include glacial retreat, changes in migration timing, movement northward of warm climate flora, etc etc etc.

The sad thing is that the misunderstanding of science among conservatives is so screwy, I'm not sure if your serious, or if your someone's alter ego, i.e another larry craig, pulling our chains.

Why am I reaching on that one? What's a prius? What's a civic Hybrid? Do you really think those tin cans are safe in major accidents, or any small vehicle safer then their larger counterparts? OH REALLY, this is news. I thought only Rumpelstilskin could get to his fantasy world by saying his name 3 times. I'm willing to bet I could sell you some great beach front property in Vegas too!

Hey lets meet up, bring your Toyota Yaris and meet Mr F350 dually lol.

I agree the overall trend is upward for now strictly because of solar activity, but the science is now telling us that land where glaciers sat for centuries have also been exposed before. Is Al Gore a scientist? lol.

Ok guys....After 7 pages, this has changed topics several times.

I am going to close this one but feel free to continue discussions on a new thread.

Just please keep them from decending into name calling.